Discussion

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  1. Tumblr is being sold for a pittance. Less than $3 million, after Yahoo bought it for over $1 billion all the way back in 2013. Looks like getting rid of the NSFW content didn’t work out so hot after all, eh?

    Unfortunately, the new owners, Automatic, have expressed no interest in reversing Verizon’s decision, so the NSFW ban will remain in effect. The only plans they have expressed so far is to use it as a “complimentary site” for WordPress. A shame; I really would have liked it if PornHub bought it. Then things could have gone back to the way they were before. But at least I can get some satisfaction laughing at Verizon.

    https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/08/12/tumblr-sold-wordpress-automattic-verizon/

    • Aww, I guess the PornHub acquisition rumor was too good to be true.

      Donno what to make of a buyout by WordPress. I wonder if they just see it as a way to eliminate a competitor.

        • I saw the story about the acquisition, I don’t know where. the drop from 1.1 billion to 3 million was such poetic justice. However, I don’t think we can claim all the credit for the collapse. It was a pretty lame site. I still can’t see what wordpress thinks they can get out of it, though.

  2. Big fan, been following since back in Tumblr. I’ve been looking for other similar fiction with an entirely clothing optional world. Any ideas?

    • Can’t think of any myself. Maybe someone else knows of some. IMHO this kind of story would be a little harder to write. Registration and nude punishments make for great hooks for captions and short fiction. With a clothing optional world you might have to introduce other elements to make the story interesting.

      But hey, if anyone does know of some, I’d be interested too.

    • I write in the Permanude world, but you might like to look at it. Just search Permanude on Amazon. I’ve got almost 40 stories up. You can also come by my web site for one story that is free and the intros to all of the stories.

    • Hi, Anonymous, I read a lot of books where girls end up without clothes as market research. Almost all take advantege of some version of the ENF Embarrassed Nude Female. It creates tension and excitement. I’ve only come across one book that was about the Utopia of total clothing optional. Nudirvese: a barely believable naked world, by Naked Naturalist. It’s more a polimeric against those people who don’t take advantage of the option to go naked. I found no plot, character development or tension. It’s kind of a bland Mary Sue story. I got it under KindleUnlimited for free and returned it after a few chapters. Books like OMG, I’m Naked in School and The Volunteer all are experiments where kids in HS or College go naked at no risk of legal penelty. Mainly, they examine how the clothed react to a naked person(s) among us. There are also the stories like Katie Lake where the girl gets to go naked at the resort and the older people adopt her as a nude mascot. Again, no penelty. It’s kind of hard to build a story about a world where there’s no tension between the clothed and unclothed and make a story out of it. I say that as a professional writer of more years than I wish to admit.

    • I remember a couple more stories you might like.

      Meleprija: Beautiful Day. An Island in the Gulf makes it big. Their tree sap does wonders for battery power and life. However, they consider clothes optional. Our Chicago girl shows up for her first business meeting to find that sitting across from her is a naked man. They talk, he gets hard, she gets naked. They end out on the street, her holding on to a streets sign while they don’t hold up traffic doing it out in front of everyone. Most of the book is not that sexual, but there’s plenty of casual nudity with the off islanders just having to adjust to the local attitude. A fun read.

      Naked Justice is set in a world that now allows clothes optional. However, there is pushback. Our lawyer is hired by a woman. Her brother is trying to get her declared incompetent so he gets her millions. All she has done is adopt nudity as a choice. They end up wearing bikinis to court. The lawers is blue with pinstrips. The heiress is topless. The judge is not happy.

      Kara Bryn writes some goood stories about people pushing the limits of our present world. Naked Women in Shorts, Just ENF, The Naked Girl Across the Street.

    • I don’t think there are hard and set rules, as captions have explored different aspects of it (e.g. requiring a naked medical inspection), but generally it’s just a “show up in person and register” thing at some official government building. As for age requirement, I imagine it’s 18, but there may be jurisdictions where it’s 14 or something. Of course, none of the captions on the site will feature non-adults :P

    • There aren’t too many requirements. One is that you physically show up in court to do it. That’s mainly so they can make sure you don’t try to register someone else fraudulently, but they will also usually refuse people who appear intoxicated. So I guess “be sober” is another requirement.

      There’s a minimum age too, but it varies. Obviously 18 is old enough in the vast majority of places (I think there was one caption mentioning a higher minimum, but that would be exceptional). Like sexy_pants said, some places do allow minors to register (like real life nudism, it’s not considered sexual), but in many cases that would require parental permission.

      • Those of us who write in one flavor or another of the PN universe have lots of fun on what you have to do to register. If we want our story published we have to make sure everyone is over 18. No publisher will touch a story where 12 year olds get stripped by their teacher.
        That said, registration can be a lot of fun. I ran four installments with a poor girl that got her PN registration just hours before her wedding. She “signed up” on the internet at 1.30 of the morning of her Bachelorette party. Oops. Whoever did it had not only all her personal data, but her E-signature, a long list of Alpha-numerics. She was quite surprised when she found out who had done it.
        While you officially have to be 18 to sign yourself up for PN status, Parents are allowed to sign themselves and all their kids up to be PN. Several stories have given the kids a week or month to opt out of the parents’ choice. That makes for nice tension.
        That parents and teachers can strip kids is a regular point. Usually, the woman in the image looks at least 18 so NudeWorldOrder keeps himself out of trouble. That can also be a lot of fun. In many of the PN universes, NOT NWO’s blog, PNs can be lewds as well as nude. Imagine a mean parent stripping a daughter to teach her a lesson, and she showing up on the front lawn the next day after school with her naked boyfriend and going at it full and all the way in front of the neighbors. This, of course, assumes that involuntary PNs have the same freedom as registered PNs.
        I had a court case that tested that. Fun.
        I guess that there are about as many PN rules for registering as there are people playing in NWO’s universe. There were several blogs up on Tumblr that had these different rules. One is back. If you want it, ask me and I’ll hunt it up for you.
        Meanwhile, the story that started with the kids getting strips in the 6th grade is available free at my website. The story that ends with California PN and explains all those crazy rules is available at Amazon for $.99. (search word Permanude)

  3. What are the rules for PN guys showing nipples? Obviously if you’re bottomless, wearing a top is required and for strict nudity nothing can be worn, but would a male with a relaxed full nudity registration be required to show his nipples? If he is, would that imply that unregistered males cannot legally show their breasts? If he is not, how could a bottomless male be differentiated from a full permanude with a relaxed registration who happens to be wearing a shirt?

    • Heh, good questions. First of all, no, unregistered men are not required to cover their nipples. Well not normally, that could make for a funny caption if some state accidentally banned male toplessness when they redid the laws or something.

      For bottomless and strict, it is as you say. The relaxed nudity one is where I’m a little conflicted. On the one hand, it seems kind of silly to insist men expose their nipples when they’re allowed to wear any kind of top at all, because male nipples just aren’t considered a big deal generally. But on the other hand, the lore for bottomless is that it was created specifically to be distinguishable from anything you could register for voluntarily, so this does present a problem.

      On balance the second consideration seems more pressing, so I guess “relaxed” registration guys are still gonna have to keep their nipples out. And it’s up to him to figure out how to make that look fashionable.

      On the issue of whether relaxed should be exactly the inverse of the law for unregistered people, I actually did a caption on that. It describes a situation where the law *was* written that way, but also female toplessness became legal without registration, which thus allowed the woman in the caption to go bottomless. This was described as a loophole which was fixed however. Exactly where that leaves relaxed-nudity men isn’t addressed, but presumably they would have been able to go bottomless too, but probably not anymore after the law was changed.

    • Assuming you’re talking about a permanent nudity registration (it’s not usually referred as a license), yes, you certainly can. Often you can even do it online or by mail, where as the initial registration has to be in person at the courthouse to prevent identity fraud.

  4. How would mainstream entertainment change in a world like this? Movies, TV, video games? How would a it influence the plot and story of those projects?

    • Good question, and not something I’ve really explored that much.

      My interpretation is that it’s legal to show nudity on TV long as the person in question is actually registered. And I suppose the same would apply to how movies are rated.

      But as far as how common it is, I donno. I’d say it’s probably not too rare for a permanently naked character to show up occasionally in a “serious” show or movie, but it might still have a little bit of a stigma so they don’t want to be seen as “over doing it”. While and trashier fare probably exploits the hell out of it. So does advertising, I’ve mentioned a few times that ads with naked people are super common, probably enough so that it’s kind of a running joke in-universe. “Oh look another car for naked people”.

      • 😋 interesting, well the reason I was asking is because there is a group called reNude world who are trying to get the rights to make a nude movie version of the musical Jesus Superstar. So I was wondering what a rated N for nudity remake of a movie would look like.

        • Huh, interesting. I think nude remakes have been brought up a couple times actually. Generally these are probably low budget affairs, but I just remembered something I mentioned once before, which was that it’s not unknown for studios to actually film a “naked version” right along side the original, which makes it possible to give it a high quality treatment without greatly increasing the cost.

            • I’m sorry to disappoint, but I meant I mentioned that as something that happened in-universe. I’ve never heard of that in real life, sadly.

            • They do, at times film an American version and a European version. More guns and blood in ours. More nudity and sex it theres. Bollywood also has two versions. For outside India, the couple will kiss. For inside Inda, there will be a great belly dance showing more belly than the US would allow. Funny how films adapt to the markets.

        • Wow, that’s interesting! I’ve been wondering what could be done with deep fakes (imagine having nude versions of all movies ever made) but refilming things is awesome too (the resulta could be better and there would be more jobs for naked actors, lol).

          • If I understand right, deepfake techniques are usually used to put someone’s face onto a nude body. I’m not sure the technology is quite feature film quality yet, but it’s probably getting close. That could be helpful if your actor isn’t willing to do a nude scene for real. But starting with a clothed scene and inserting a nude body into it might be harder, or at least a different challenge that probably hasn’t had as much research done on it.

            • Didn’t the latest Beowolf do some really serious work on bodies to get everyone twelve packs. Certainly Anthony Hopkins hasn’t been that ripped in a while. I believe Angoline commented that she was showing a lot more on screen and a lot tighter than she did at the filming. The same thing was applied to 300. It’s easier right now to resculpture a body with CGI than is is to put a new head on another body, although I think I have heard of that being done. If it hasn’t been done yet, it will be by the time I post this.

      • It’s probably not consistent with the world you have created, but in my imagination …

        Factual and entertainment programs will not be allowed to discriminate against PN participants, so – in theory at least – people get to appear on television based solely on their qualifications, performances, etc.

        Historic drama, on the other hand, unless you can work plausible nudity into the script, would have to insist on the actors being dressed – a ‘genuine occupational requirement’. You can’t film a costume drama in a 17th century setting with accurate sets and props and all the actors bar one in plausible 17th century costume and the other one completely naked. It would completely destroy the illusion. But, on the plus side, it would be much easier to include naked people in the scenes where they could originally have been naked – scenes in bath houses and bedrooms and when the aristocracy are alone with their servants, for example.

        • Yeah, I don’t have the exception for PN actors to be able to wear clothes. It was something I considered, but fairly early I did some captions to the contrary and decided to roll with that version. So if an actor was permanently naked, and they would not be able to play a clothed roll. Although it’s not unheard of for producers to write nudity in after the fact if a naked actor impresses them.

          That also means it’s one of the few fields where it’s legal to reject someone for a job because they’re permanently naked. Just line in real life it’s about the only situation where you could legally refuse to hire someone because they were the wrong race, etc.

        • How about the fearsome Pirate Roberts, in this edition of Captain Blood. Some of the pirates were pretty free spirited. You also have the bazerkers among the Viking. The Egyptions went in for pretty thin linen. Lost of heavy labor was done nude to save wear and tear on clothes. Not everyone was as regular in their dress as 1950 hollywood under the code would have you believe. I’m sure something can be worked out to get a bunch of PN extras somewhere on the set.

    • There have been several photos on other blogs where Supergirl got bottomless and Wonderwoman was only wearing her head piece and bracelets. Speaking for my world, the Naked Wrestling craze is catching on in my next two stories. Yep, it’s purely explotive, and a lot of fun to watch, and how they count falls is something else. In another story, my Pernanude was asked by her TV station to stand in for the weather girl who got badly burned at a nude beach that weekend. By the time she’d stood in for two day, all the weather girls in LA were PN. The FCC finds itself late to the party as PNs are nude on the street but their naughty bits have to be pixilated to show them on TV. How long do you think that version of Community Standards will last?

  5. A single day each year to try nudity (full or partial) need not be complicated at all. The state just has to announce that the rules will not be enforced at all for one day. Gives people thinking about registering a chance to try it out in real life before committing to a year or more. Of course, registered people can wear clothes on that day.

    • I held off on commenting because I am curious what other people will think of the idea, and I feared an “authoritative” answer might put them off, but since no one replied anyway… (which doesn’t mean you can’t still of course)

      I think it sounds like a good idea, although I would probably have it work a little more similar to normal registration. That is, you still have to sign up, probably in person, and you’d still be required to go naked if you do. The fact that you can do it for only one day seems like a good enough reason to get people interested.

      And I’m always a little cautious about sweeping changes to the setting, so I would probably rely on my usual excuse and say this is local thing some state/country is doing, rather than everywhere.

      On the part about changing topless to nude, that seems a little over-complicated. Generally my thinking is that this would be allowed anyway (can’t see any reason it shouldn’t be) and the only requirement would be that the new registration be equal to or longer than both the usual minimum and the current registration.

      • Part of the fun is to think about the real world implementation details of the various ideas. PN is allowed on civil liberty grounds: some people believe the state should not prevent them from being naked, and the state has no good grounds for denying them this freedom. But other people object to the idea that people can just go naked whenever they feel like it, so there is a political balance which needs to be made. To prevent people from just going naked on a whim, and offending the poor prudes because they didn’t think or care, the state insists that nudity is something you have to think about seriously (hence the registration) and is something which comes with a cost (hence the ‘permanent’ bit and the minimum term).

        Personally, I think you should just ignore the prudes and allow people to wear whatever they like whenever they like, unless there is an objection on the grounds of health, safety or serious cost. Personal liberty is too important to sacrifice just because some people don’t like it. But that is not the NWO world – or ours, for the present at least.

        So I’m trying to understand this “dare you Day!” or “try it Day!” idea. I see what the PN and PN-friendly people get out of it, but what is the quid pro quo? What do the prudes get out of it? Why would they allow this legislation to be passed?

        • Now, this is the kind of discussion I like!

          As you know, I’ve never really pinned down the origins of permanent nudity, and for lack of any really good ideas I’ve chosen to leave it mysterious. But, I imagine that the current state of affairs is based on trying to strike a balance much like you describe.

          But another piece of the puzzle, possibly explaining this kind of thing, is that the balance isn’t necessarily the same everywhere. Some places (broadly speaking, “liberal” ones, in any sense of the term) might have a more favorable view of permanent nudity, and even a significant contingent of people who, like you and I, would be in favor of “at will nudity” (as it’s known in the setting). So this kind of thing could be an example of pushing the bounds a bit in places where they can get away with it.

          Somehow the idea that the “cost” for this is publicly submitting a nude photo doesn’t quite resonate with me, but I suppose that could still be considered a concession to the anti-casual-nudity contingent, since it will to some extent discourage people from trying it just on a whim.

  6. This is kind of an odd, self serving comment but hear me out. I was thinking recently that I no longer have my Tumblr blog active and it’s a shame I can’t even see my own older submissions/posts easily. Then I remembered the “reblog” tag and that a lot of the stuff I posted before Tumblr’s stricter rules are there! So I can just take a trip down memory lane whenever I like it, since most of the “reblog” posts are mine. :) Just wanted to say thanks for inadvertently creating a tag that helps me find my own stuff really easily! It will of course not have anything since January, but still, it comes in handy! So thanks, NWO. :)

    • Hey, glad that tag proved to be of some use. BTW, don’t forget you can also check out your old blog via that tumbex service I talked about a while back.

      Also, to view submissions from a certain person on this blog, you can put their name in the search box just above the tag cloud. That shows up a list of titles, which you have to click to see the actual pictures though. That’s something I’d like to change, but I haven’t got around to figuring out how.

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